al muwaazanah

[ibn abi 'Abdirrahman]

Salam.
Is it allowed to bring up the issue of al muwaazanah in this multaqa?

[Haitham Hamdan]

Waalykum assalam. It is allowed, as long as:
1) No names are mentioned.
2) The topic is discussed in the General forum:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[ibn abi 'Abdirrahman]

Quite difficult to discuss the issue without mentioning names :)


I am half way through reading Manhaj Ahl as sunnah wal jama'ah fi naqd ar rijaal...

Has anyone else read the book and has any comments on it?

[Abu Bakr b. Nasir]

Quite difficult to discuss the issue without mentioning names :)


I am half way through reading Manhaj Ahl as sunnah wal jama'ah fi naqd ar rijaal...

Has anyone else read the book and has any comments on it?

I haven't read it and my suggestion would be, stop where you are and focus your attentions on reading those things which would be more beneficial for your religion.

[ibn abi 'Abdirrahman]

If I am currently staying in Saudi Arabia where the people of Sunnah are strong then I will probably follow your advice brother Abu Bakr.

But the sad reality is I am from a place where the Salafis are a minority and yet some people are causing division among the Salafis due to this book and others. I have no other choice but to tackle real issues facing us to avoid great mafaasid later on.

Allow me to bring an analogy. Someone who never goes to the market might not be required to know Ahkaam Al Buyuu' but once he has decided to go to the market then it becomes obligatory for him to acquire knowledge about it.

WAllahu a'lam

[learning arabic]

Waalykum assalam. It is allowed, as long as:
1) No names are mentioned.
2) The topic is discussed in the General forum:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/forumdisplay.php?f=14

As salaamu alaykum akhi, the above link is not working for me where is the thread and what was it called inshallah AND can you check the link again insha'Allah.

Jazaaka Allahu khairan.

[ibn abi 'Abdirrahman]

just finished reading the very interesting book.

has anyone else read the book?

[Bint Nail]

Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh,

I am new to this forum, thus I would like to ask you to bear patience with me in light of my question/s.
The issue which I seek to understand insha'allah is about al-muwaazanah-balancing, in this case in specific, between mentioning the good while refuting .
Some scholars seem to think it is obligatory or at the very least recommended. Their proof for this is that Allah orders to to be just. However, some scholars believe that it is not obligatory, that it was not the way of the salaf to mention the good while refuting, since refuting is done to advise the Ummah, and if good is mentioned when refuting then the result is that it only confuses the masses of people.
Some on the other hand that only those with kufr bid'ah are to be refuted. If that is the case, does this mean those who innovate but their innovations do not reach the level of kufr are to be left alone?

I ask you to forgive me if my question/s are confusing or to much.

[salafee_4400]

assalam alaikum ukhtee

Here are some beneficial answers from the Noble scholar Shaykh Saalih al Fawzaan hafidahullaah

QUESTION: Is there harm in warning against these Sects that are in opposition to the Methodology of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah?

ANSWER: "We warn against all those who oppose [the Salaf] generally and we say: 'We adhere to the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah and we we abandon those who oppose Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah regardless of whether their opposition is MAJOR or MINOR. This is because if we are lenient with the opposition, then perhaps it may grow and increase. So opposition is not allowed AT ALL.

Furthermore, it is obligatory to adhere to the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah in both major and minor issues."

QUESTION: Are we require to mention the good qualities of those we warn against?

ANSWER: "If you mention their good qualities, then this means that you have called (the people) to follow them. Know, DO NOT MENTION THEIR GOOD QUALITIES. Mention the error they are upon only. You are not entrusted to praise and approve of their actions - you are ONLY entrusted with exposing the error they are upon so that they may repent from it, and so others can beware of it.

It may even be that the error that they are upon wipes away their good deeds if it is kufr or shirk. It could also be that this error outweighs their good deeds. And perhaps it may seem like they are good deeds in your eyes, yet they ARE NOT SO IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAAH."

("Al-Ajwibatul-Mufeedah 'an As'ilatil-Manaahijil-Jadeedah", Shaykh Saaleh al-Fawzaan)

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Jazak Allah khier brother Salafee_4400 for quoting the words of shaikh Al-fawzaan, Hafithahu Allah ( smile) However, I believe this quotation does not answer the sister's question besides the fact that this quotation has been misused and been taken out of the context by many people and specifics groups who have nothing to do but defaming scholars and Muslims in general..wallahu Al-musta'an

This question, if you noticed, have been here before and another brother asked about it yet many refrained from answering it because it is a very detailed issue and it needs to be tackled case by case. Thus, such general statements, as the ones you quoted, do not answer such question at all.

As I aways say: it is a two seconds question that takes 2 hours answer ( smile)

If I had time i will explain it although i wish and prefer to refrain from talking about it as it gets me headache and does not benefit us (laymen) at this point. Needless to say, laymen need to focus on more important matters that concerns their religion to which they will be judged for. ( smile)

wallahu A'lam

[salafee_4400]

"However, I believe this quotation does not answer the sister's question besides the fact that this quotation has been misused and been taken out of the context by many people and specifics groups who have nothing to do but defaming scholars and Muslims in general..wallahu Al-musta'an"

assalam alaikum akhee ayman

could you be so kind in explaining what you mean by the answer being misused by people looking to defame scholars. the answer by shaykh al fawzaan is just the tip of the iceberg. wa lilahil hamdh there are many many statements from the ulema on this issue of al muwazanah and they all say the same thing - the good points are not to be mentioned when refuting otherwise it weakens the arguments against that person. if the need arises these can be brought up inshallaah

please exlain jazakallah khayr