View Full Version : Whats "Khidr" Doing Fighting Dajjal?
07-15-2010, 04:20 PM
I Once Remember Reading A Hadith In Sahih Muslim That Khidr Will Resist Dajjal And Get Martyred By Him And Sufis Claim That He Is Still Alive,So Whats The Truth To That Matter?
Ibn Al Asqalani
07-16-2010, 12:06 AM
i came across this hadith and from what little i know that was not khidr since the claim of the sufi's is that khidr is still alive and they tend to use this hadith to refer to him..
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Allah's Apostle told us a long narrative about Ad-dajjal, and among the many things he mentioned, was his saying, "Ad-dajjal will come and it will be forbidden for him to pass through the entrances of Medina. He will land in some of the salty barren areas (outside) Medina; on that day the best man or one of the best men will come up to him and say, 'I testify that you are the same dajjal whose description was given to us by Allah's Apostle .' Ad-dajjal will say to the people, [U]'If I kill this man and bring him back to life again, will you doubt my claim?' They will say, 'No.' Then Ad-dajjal will kill that man and bring him back to life. That man will say, 'Now I know your reality better than before.' Ad-dajjal will say, 'I want to kill him but I cannot.' " (Book #30, Hadith #106)
its funny how they emphasise on the issue of khidr since one of there arguements they use to blind follow there scholars is that they posses hidden knowledge just like how khidr received hidden knowledge with his encounter with musa 3layhe sallam.. again they tend to have no bases for these weird arguments, not sure of this was the hadith you was reffering to but this is one of the arguments i came across which they tend to use.
Ibn Al Asqalani
07-16-2010, 12:21 AM
and to add to this for those who say he is still alive..
The stories of al-Khidr told by the righteous are innumerable. They claim that he and Ilyaas perform Hajj each year and they narrated du’aa’s from them, and these stories are well known and widespread, but the basis of what they say is very weak, because most of them are stories narrated from some of those whom they think are righteous, or dreams and ahaadeeth that are attributed to Anas or others, but all of them are da’eef (weak) and cannot be used to prove anything.
What seems to me to be more likely, based on the evidence concerning this matter, is that al-Khidr is not alive, rather he died. This is for a number of reasons:
1 – The apparent meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning)
“And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever?”
2 – The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, if you allow this group of Muslims to be destroyed, You will not be worshipped on earth.” (Narrated by Muslim)
3 – The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that one hundred years after the night on which he was speaking, none of the people who were on the face of the earth then would still be alive. If al-Khidr had been alive at that point he would not have remained after the hundred years mentioned. Muslim ibn al-Hajjaaj said that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: “The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led us in praying ‘Isha’ one night towards the end of his life, then he stood up and said: ‘Do you see this night of yours? One hundred years from now not one of those who are on the face of the earth now will remain.” Ibn ‘Umar said: “The people did not understand these words of the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and they said that this meant that the Day of Resurrection would come after one hundred years. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘not one of those who are on the face of the earth now will remain’ meaning that that generation would pass away.”
4 – If al-Khidr had lived until the time of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he would have followed him, supported him and fought alongside him, because he was sent to the two races of jinn and mankind.
Adwaa’ al-Bayaan, 4/178-183
Ibn Al Asqalani
07-16-2010, 12:23 AM
wa 3laykum al salaam
07-16-2010, 05:27 AM
Yeah This Was The Hadith I Was Talking About,Yeah,If Khidr Was Alive,Then Surely He Would Have Attended Badr And Uhud !!
But What About The Hadith In Sahih Muslim?
It Says "This Man" Was Khidr(I Think It Was In The Last Volume Of Sahih Muslim)
07-16-2010, 07:28 AM
There is no mentioning of that person whom Dajjaal will try to kill is Khidr (pbuh)
Its after this hadith , Imaam Muslim sites as follows:
قوله : ( قال أبو إسحاق : يقال : إن الرجل هو الخضر عليه السلام
So its a weak Seegha : يقال Seegha Tamreed and cannot be used as an evidence
Abu Najm Muhammad and many others have discussed this issue in IA:
And Allah knows the best.
07-16-2010, 01:05 PM
I Sw Nobody Answered This Argument,Can Anyone Refute It Here?
Hafiz Ibn Kathir writes:
"When the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) departed from this world, 'Umar heard someone come into the house but saw no-one. When he was asked, 'Umar said it was al-Khidr (peace be upon him). Then a voice was heard which said, 'O household of the Prophet, be patient.' 'Ali said it was al-Khidr (peace be upon him). Imam al-Bayhaqi said: 'These narrations are weak, but there are so many similar narrations, which suggests that they do have some origin"
[Ibn Kathir, Sirat an-Nabi and Ta'rikh ibn Kathir, chapter on 'Demise of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)]
Muhammad ibn 'abd al-Wahhab an-Najdi writes:
"After the death of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) a voice was heard, 'O family of the Prophet, be patient and peace be upon you'"
[Mukhtasar Sirat ar-Rasul, chapter on 'Death of Prophet']
07-16-2010, 01:05 PM
It Was Presented On The Link You Provided
07-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Its explicit from the narrations itslf as Imaam Baihaqi said , all these narrations are weak:
Therefore there is no need for us to act or believe in it.
Then as far as Imaam Baihaqi saying that there could be origin for that , its only an opinion nothing concrete and cannot be proven.
The second narration has nothing to do with Khidr being alive or dead
Allah knows the best
07-16-2010, 02:44 PM
Yeah I Guess You Are Right,All These Proofs Are Based On Nothing But Assumptions And Weak Narrations
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