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  • The Kaafir doesn't have to be one who "willingly & consciously knows" he is rejecting the truth

    I have observed that it's quite common to see Muslims saying that a kaafir is only the one who KNOWINGLY rejects the truth. They base this reasoning on certain passages of the Qur'an such as the following:

    2:23

    And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.
    2:76

    And when they (Jews) meet those who believe (Muslims), they say, "We believe", but when they meet one another in private, they say, "Shall you (Jews) tell them (Muslims) what Allah has revealed to you [Jews, about the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him , that which are written in the Taurat (Torah)] that they (Muslims) may argue with you (Jews) about it before your Lord?" Have you (Jews) then no understanding?
    2:140

    Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better... that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. (See Verse 7:157)] he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
    2:146

    Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad SAW or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad SAW which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)].
    2:159

    Verily, those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers.
    2:174

    Verily, those who conceal what Allah has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment.
    2:206

    And when it is said to him, "Fear Allah", he is led by arrogance to (more) crime. So enough for him is Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest!
    3:71

    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"
    3:78

    And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.
    6:20

    Those to whom We have given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognize him (i.e. Muhammad SAW as a Messenger of Allah, and they also know that there is no Ilah (God) but Allah and Islam is Allah's Religion), as they recognize their own sons. Those who destroy themselves will not believe. (Tafsir At-Tabari)
    45:8

    Who hears the Verses of Allah (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!
    46:10

    Say: "Tell me! If this (Qur'an) is from Allah, and you deny it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel ('Abdullah bin Salam NOi) testifies that this Qur'an is from Allah [like the Taurat (Torah)], so he believed (embraced Islam) while you are too proud (to believe)." Verily! Allah guides not the people who are Zalimun (polytheists, disbelievers and wrong-doing).

    However, there are other verses in the Qur'an which make it appear as if some kuffar aren't KNOWINGLY rejecting the truth...

    2:13

    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.
    Ibn Kathir in his commentary said that they are so ignorant that they don't know that they are the ones who are misguided.

    18:104

    "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!
    Ash-Shinqeeti in his Adwaa' al-Bayaan said that this verse was revealed in regards to kuffar who believe that their faith is the correct one and is the truth. Also see tafsir as-Sa'di, tafsir at-Tabari (where he very clearly points out that this verse demonstrates that not all kuffar are ones who knowingly reject tawheed), tafsir Ibn Kathir, al-Baidaawi, al-Waahidi, etc.

    21:24

    Or have they taken for worship (other) aliha (gods) besides Him? Say: "Bring your proof:" This (the Qur'an) is the Reminder for those with me and the Reminder for those before me. But most of them know not the Truth, so they are averse.
    See Ibn Ashur's at-tahreer wal-tanweer.






    So in summary, it's not correct for one to say that a kaafir necessarily has to be one who knows the truth and then rejects it.
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    جزاك اللهُ خيراً this is very relevant today as some duat are promoting this belief.

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    • #3
      Salam and Ramadan Mubarak to all

      I'll have something to post on this, but I am going to wait till Ramadan is over
      before I do.
      I want to use this blessed time productively as it is a one-in a year kind of time.

      Wassalam
      Please double check everything I wrote as I am NOT qualified to give fatwa (islamic rulings)

      As with all things
      Allah knows Best

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      • #4
        Assalamu alaykum

        There are people who don't even care to find out the truth, sometimes due to arrogance, or at least that is what is apparent from their speech. I met someone like this in a discussion group not long ago, he kept on saying stuff like "why do I need to worship God" !! "why do I need to be a slave to God" !! and he didn't care to find out if Allah existed or not. His speech showed so much arrogance and he used very very bad language when speaking about Allah Azza wa jal that I couldn't stand reading his posts anymore or continuing discussing with him. I've discussed with atheists before, but he was the worst I've come across. Other atheists would discuss about the evidences of creationism and evolution, but when I tried to start a discussion with him on the topic, he didn't want to discuss it and said that he doesn't care where everything came from, nor does he plan to start looking to find the answer, and that helping the poor and suffering people is more important and that finding the answer won't help those people !!
        .

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        • #5
          Correct me if I'm wrong here: this conclusion (if correct) implies that the kuffar are guilty of not because rejecting the truth even after knowing it, but rather not trying to learn the truth to begin with (i.e. apathy before knowing the truth as opposed to after). Case in point would be ukht Umm Abdillah's comment above, I think. Amirite?
          Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Baqarah, 2:30]

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          • #6
            JazakAllahu Khairan Bassam. I understand a kaffir does not have to be an individual who knowingly rejects the truth. But could we say that to be eligible for jahannum one must know that they are rejecting the truth?

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            • #7
              Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

              Originally posted by Osman ibn Ali View Post
              JazakAllahu Khairan Bassam. I understand a kaffir does not have to be an individual who knowingly rejects the truth. But could we say that to be eligible for jahannum one must know that they are rejecting the truth?




              Of course not. One could think he is following the truth and enter Jahannam. Think about the Christians.
              Allah informs us in the Quran of the the mushrikoon's claim that He fathered daughters with female jinn!
              [
              أَلَا إِنَّهُم مِّنْ إِفْكِهِمْ لَيَقُولُونَ
              وَلَدَ اللَّهُ وَإِنَّهُمْ لَكَاذِبُونَ
              ]
              [وَجَعَلُواْ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجِنَّةِ نَسَباً]
              Mujahid said, ""The idolaters said that the angels were the daughters of Allah. Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `Then who are their mothers' They said, The daughters of the leaders of the Jinn.'''

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              • #8
                linguistically the kafir is the one who rejects the truth. the verses that you quoted are proofs for this.

                there are 2 types of ignorance. jahl muraqab and jahl yasir(basit)
                so linguistically the kafir belongs to the first type(jahl muraqab)

                so if Allah calls the kafir to be ignorant of the truth this doesn't mean he did not receive the truth.

                read:

                And if anyone of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. (9:6)

                ignorance in this vers is not the jahl muraqab. so u see that allah called them mushirkoon instead of kufar. becuz they still have to hear the word of allah.

                but ofcourse this is linguisiclly. we name all people who dont belong to islam kufar becuz we dont know there real state of ignorance. wallahualam.

                dr saalih as saalih (rahimuallah) also explained this in his lectures on thalathatul usul. i think its the 11th class wallahuallam

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hassan_'Abd_Allah View Post
                  Correct me if I'm wrong here: this conclusion (if correct) implies that the kuffar are guilty of not because rejecting the truth even after knowing it, but rather not trying to learn the truth to begin with (i.e. apathy before knowing the truth as opposed to after). Case in point would be ukht Umm Abdillah's comment above, I think. Amirite?
                  yes, this is one of the pillars of kuffar and the nullifiers of Islam. Ibn Katheer highlights this as Kufrul I’rādh: Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth. Allāh subhānahū wa ta’ālā says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord’s signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgment) [Sūrah Kahf (18), Ayah 57]

                  Secondly, blame has two aspects

                  1. blame for leaving an obligation knowingly
                  2. blame for leaving off an obligation based on ignorance

                  a simple example, a person who eats pork (hypothetical). lets say he didnt know that it was haraam. Blame is still factored as as part of his punishment because while he won't be necessarily punished for the performance of the haraam, he will still be punished by the Will of Allah based on his apathy in not trying to understand or know the rulings for the actions that he did in life.

                  asalamu alaykum
                  ابو نعيمة علي البريكي


                  "I have debated with the Ash'aris
                  and it has become clear to me that they believe that Allah does not exist"


                  May Allah hasten the Muslims back to the path
                  that granted victory to them before.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by al-boriqee View Post
                    yes, this is one of the pillars of kuffar and the nullifiers of Islam. Ibn Katheer highlights this as Kufrul I’rādh: Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth. Allāh subhānahū wa ta’ālā says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord’s signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgment) [Sūrah Kahf (18), Ayah 57]

                    Secondly, blame has two aspects

                    1. blame for leaving an obligation knowingly
                    2. blame for leaving off an obligation based on ignorance

                    a simple example, a person who eats pork (hypothetical). lets say he didnt know that it was haraam. Blame is still factored as as part of his punishment because while he won't be necessarily punished for the performance of the haraam, he will still be punished by the Will of Allah based on his apathy in not trying to understand or know the rulings for the actions that he did in life.

                    asalamu alaykum
                    is eating pork a good example? becuz the principle is that everything on the earth from the animal etc is halal except when the proof reaches you. does this mean there is an obligation of finding out this type of knowledge?

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                    • #11
                      Out of curiousity (because I follow different opinion in this matter)

                      how would some of the brothers reply to this
                      http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1320

                      The shiekh even specifically states this is "accepted by all the people of the Sunnah "
                      Please double check everything I wrote as I am NOT qualified to give fatwa (islamic rulings)

                      As with all things
                      Allah knows Best

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by I.J. Abdul Hakeem View Post
                        Out of curiousity (because I follow different opinion in this matter)

                        how would some of the brothers reply to this
                        http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1320

                        The shiekh even specifically states this is "accepted by all the people of the Sunnah "
                        I do not believe you have understood the Shaykh's words in the link. Ibn al Qayyim is specifically addressing the children of the disbelievers who die before the age of puberty. In addition, he covers the issue of Ahl al fatrah as well as those who were incapable of reaching the truth (ex. insane, remote areas, etc). This is not to say that we do not deal with those around us who are disbelievers as disbelievers. Ibn al Qayyim also mentioned the opinion of the mufasireen, Ahmad b. Hanbal, and Ahl al Kalam.

                        The reality is that this link doesn't excuse us not recognizing the disbelievers as disbelievers. I guess the most obvious question is, if we don't classify them as such, then what DO we classify them as? What have the fuqaha classified them as throughout history. Once we establish that, then how do we deal with the following issues?

                        1) Marriage - If they are not disblievers then are we permitted to marry them off to our daughters?

                        2- Inheritance

                        3 - Burial

                        4- Giving salam

                        5- The Islamic state (who pays jizyah?)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ummusalama24 View Post
                          is eating pork a good example? becuz the principle is that everything on the earth from the animal etc is halal except when the proof reaches you. does this mean there is an obligation of finding out this type of knowledge?
                          Asalamu alaykum

                          barakallahu feekum. perfect example of what I was talking about. While a person may not be punished for the lack of knowledge on a given issue, he is still blamed for not knowing the ruling of the actions he is doing, particularly if it is from the m'alum min ad-deen bi duroora (what is known by necessity of the religion) like not eating pork. The fact that this is too well known and established in the deen makes the person ignorant about it even more punishable than something less known like the "al-Isbaal", where the proofs are not as decisive as not eating pork. Nevertheless the point is here that udhr bi jahl (excuse due to ignorance) has conditions and it is not applicable all the time.

                          So there is an obligation of learning the basics of deen.

                          Ibn Katheer breaks down 10 aspects to kufr, one of which is what I quoted above which is the Kufr of 'Iraadh which is the very thing Bassam initiated the post with, that being that kufr can occur and happens due to mere avoidance THUS signifying that he can make kufr or be a kaafir even while he consciounsly does not know he is making kufr, simply by avoiding the matters alltogether.

                          The tenth nullifier of Islam is reflective of Bassam's initial post which was articulated by Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab

                          The Tenth Nullifier

                          Turning away from Allah’s Religion, not learning it or implementing it (is an act of disbelief). The proof for this is Allah’s saying: “And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the ayat (signs/verses) of his Lord, then turns away from them. Verily, We shall extract retribution from the criminals.” (as-Sajdah 32/22)

                          There is no difference, with regard to (committing any of) these nullifiers, between the one who jokes, the one who is serious or the one who does so out of fear. However, the one who commits them due to being coerced (is excused).

                          asalamu alaykum
                          ابو نعيمة علي البريكي


                          "I have debated with the Ash'aris
                          and it has become clear to me that they believe that Allah does not exist"


                          May Allah hasten the Muslims back to the path
                          that granted victory to them before.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by I.J. Abdul Hakeem View Post
                            Out of curiousity (because I follow different opinion in this matter)

                            how would some of the brothers reply to this
                            http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1320

                            The shiekh even specifically states this is "accepted by all the people of the Sunnah "
                            Simple. The ahlul-fitrah are dealt with by Allah. If the Risaalah has not come to them then they will be tested by Allah. This is for adults. Children, ulema disagreed about their fate whether they will be tested or whether they are absolutely vindicated and I am of the view that the children of the kuffar who don't know any discernment (haven't reached the age of beoing mukalaf) are vindicated. As for adults (those who are mukallaf, this can include a 8 year old who knows all about the basics adult life even if they have no practical experience) then they will be definitely tested.

                            This is with Allah

                            AS FOR US
                            we judge ALL who are not Muslim as kuffar for ahkaam purposes. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are declaring each individual person among them as going to hellfire, it means that we operate our proceedures based on tamayuz (distinction). we salam to the muslims not the kaafir, we bury the muslim with the muslims NOT with the kuffar, etc , etc.

                            asalamu alaykum
                            ابو نعيمة علي البريكي


                            "I have debated with the Ash'aris
                            and it has become clear to me that they believe that Allah does not exist"


                            May Allah hasten the Muslims back to the path
                            that granted victory to them before.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by al-boriqee View Post
                              Asalamu alaykum

                              barakallahu feekum. perfect example of what I was talking about. While a person may not be punished for the lack of knowledge on a given issue, he is still blamed for not knowing the ruling of the actions he is doing, particularly if it is from the m'alum min ad-deen bi duroora (what is known by necessity of the religion) like not eating pork. The fact that this is too well known and established in the deen makes the person ignorant about it even more punishable than something less known like the "al-Isbaal", where the proofs are not as decisive as not eating pork. Nevertheless the point is here that udhr bi jahl (excuse due to ignorance) has conditions and it is not applicable all the time.

                              So there is an obligation of learning the basics of deen.

                              Ibn Katheer breaks down 10 aspects to kufr, one of which is what I quoted above which is the Kufr of 'Iraadh which is the very thing Bassam initiated the post with, that being that kufr can occur and happens due to mere avoidance THUS signifying that he can make kufr or be a kaafir even while he consciounsly does not know he is making kufr, simply by avoiding the matters alltogether.

                              The tenth nullifier of Islam is reflective of Bassam's initial post which was articulated by Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab

                              The Tenth Nullifier

                              Turning away from Allah’s Religion, not learning it or implementing it (is an act of disbelief). The proof for this is Allah’s saying: “And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the ayat (signs/verses) of his Lord, then turns away from them. Verily, We shall extract retribution from the criminals.” (as-Sajdah 32/22)

                              There is no difference, with regard to (committing any of) these nullifiers, between the one who jokes, the one who is serious or the one who does so out of fear. However, the one who commits them due to being coerced (is excused).

                              asalamu alaykum

                              wa alaikum salam

                              isnt this for the one who heard about the ruling and then turned away? to turn away from "knowing" a ruling you must have heard at least something about it.
                              like someone who mentioned something about muhammed sws and after that he turns away from knowing about muhammed sws. in this case its kufr. not when you never heard "anyting"about muhammed sws then how can this be kufr? its the same with eating pork.

                              especially when u live in a time or area where u dont have scholars or places to seek knowledge many of the people never heard about such rulings then they are still excused for not knowing.
                              i think u can devide it like this: types of ignroance:

                              -ignorance which is muraqab
                              - ignorance that is yasir ( 1- the ability to know but turning away becuz you didnt wanted to know the ruling 2- not having the ability to know becuz you never heard about it, no scholars etc..)

                              i think the first teachers that a person has are his parents after that the child can seek other teachers if he has the ability to do it. so in this case the person did learned the knowledge and didnt neglect it totaly, but ofcourse its the wrong knowledge.

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