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  • #31
    Could somebody comment on following hadeeth. Is it authentic?

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    • #32
      1) Sheikh Mansoor Bahoti Hanbali says in his well known book of Hanbali fiqh Kash-shaful Qina, Vol1:444

      وأما ليلة النصف من شعبان ففيها فضل وكان في السلف من يصلي فيها لكن الاجتماع فيها لإحيائها في المساجد بدعة اه وفي استحباب قيامها أي ليلة النصف من شعبان ما في إحياء ليلة العيد - كشاف القناع ج: 1 ص: 444

      As for the 15th night of Shabaan, it is a night of virtue. Some of the salaf prayed the whole night, although establishing congregational prayers (on this night) is bida't (an innovation). And the reward of ibadah on the 15th night of Shabaan is the same as the reward of ibadah on the night of E'id.

      2) Imam Shafi rahmatullahi alayh said in Al-Umm, Vol. 1 p. 231:

      قال الشافعي وبلغنا أنه كان يقال إن الدعاء يستجاب في خمس ليال في ليلة الجمعة وليلة الأضحى وليلة الفطر وأول ليلة من رجب وليلة النصف من شعبان* - الأم ج: 1 ص: 231

      Imam Shafi said, "of the narrations that have reached us, verily, dua is accepted on five nights: the night of Juma', the night of E'id Al-Adha, the night of E'id Al-Fitr, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Shabaan".

      3) Shaikh Abu-Ishaq Ibrahim Al-Hanbali says in Al-Mubdi':

      ويستحب إحياء ما بين العشائين للخبر قال جماعة وليلة عاشوراء وليلة أول رجب وليلة نصف شعبان* - المبدع ج: 2 ص: 27

      It is desirable to revive the time (with salat and ibadah) between the two E'sha's (Maghrib and E'sha) because of the ahaadith. Many scholars say: Similarly with the night of Ashura, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Shabaan.

      4) Imam Shurunbulali Hanafi rahmatullahi alayh says in Noorul Eidhah P.63:

      وندب إحياء ليالي العشر الأخير من رمضان وإحياء ليلتي العيدين وليالي عشر ذي الحجة وليلة النصف من شعبان*- نور الإيضاح ص: 63

      It is desirable to revive the last ten nights of Ramadan, two nights of Eidain (Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha), ten nights of Zil Hijjah, and the 15th night of Shabaan.

      5) Imam Ibn-Taimiyyah rahmatullahi alayh was asked about the importance of the 15th night of Sha'ban. He replied:

      اماليلة النصف فقد روى فى فضلها أحاديث وآثار ونقل عن طائفة من السلف أنهم كانوا يصلون فيها فصلاة الرجل فيها وحده قد تقدمه فيه سلف وله فيه حجة فلا ينكر مثل هذا - كتب ورسائل وفتاوى ابن تيمية في الفقه ج: 23 ص: 132

      As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah (ra)) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.

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      • #33
        بسم*الله*الرحمن*الرحيم
        Originally posted by marium View Post
        Assalamu Alykum Warahmatullah

        Needed help in locating a comprehensive resource (English or Urdu) that refutes the sayings and quotes in support of 15th Shaban, especially the article by Br. Taqi Usmani here.

        Would be extremely grateful.

        JazakAllahu Khair,
        وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

        Sister, this is not the correct way to go about gaining Islamic knowledge. One shouldn't enter into a subject seeking to "prove" something or "refute" something because that often (but not always) leads to intellectual dishonesty.
        Because a person doing this would jump at any reference to prove their point (regardless of whether they believe it has significance or not), often without bothering to see what the other side says and are thus left with weak spider-web arguments, without even realizing it (or being too arrogant to acknowledge it)

        A more proper way to go about seeking this knowledge is to study it in depth to determine whether the 15th of Sha'baan (or whatever other subject you want to investigate) has particular significance, or not (and consult the scholars!). Then you can make a better and more informed decision on the subject.

        Your brother in Islam,
        ibn al-Taalib

        w.s
        If one is serious about learning knowledge then let him spend actual couple of years studying from ABC and gradualy advance (not attending some lectures or reading some articles and books) then ask about how to employ texts and conclude rulings.
        Until then rulings are taken from scholars who sufficed us the trouble of investigating the process.
        ^Excellent quote by Shaykh Ayman that i've included here to remind myself and others

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        • #34
          bro Harris; if the hadith have serious defects then why did Sh. Albani (ra) grade it sahih in his Silsilah a'Saheeha?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ahmad ibn Philip View Post
            bro Harris; if the hadith have serious defects then why did Sh. Albani (ra) grade it sahih in his Silsilah a'Saheeha?
            Why can't an academic have a difference of opinion with S. Albani?
            And what indicates to the religiosity and trustworthiness of Nu`aym [bin Hammad] is his returning to the truth whenever
            he was told of his inadvertence and made aware of his mistake, as he never considered accepting the truth beneath himself

            because returning to the truth is better than remaining in falsehood,
            and the one who remains in falsehood will increase only in remoteness from the truth

            (29/471, Tadheeb 'l-Kamal)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Harris Hammam View Post
              Why can't an academic have a difference of opinion with S. Albani?
              I didn't say there couldn't be an academic difference but I'm just interested as to the reasons the shaykh authenticated it whilst others from the classical 'ulema didn't give it that regard and even severely weakened it.

              I had the same thoughts regarding the hadith on marriage being half of your deen but after enquiring, I found out the hadith was mursal but Sh. al-Albani accepted such ahadith if they were numerous other ahadith to support it thus raising it to the level of hasan li-ghayrihi.

              I'm just wondering if this is similar?

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              • #37
                I meant to ask if it is similar in his methodology not in his grading.

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                • #38
                  S. Albani was very very fond of upgrading weak Hadith to Hasan Li-Ghayrihi. In fact, he condemned those who failed to so in some of his books.

                  However, the Mutaqaddimum approach is far more inquisitive than this, and takes into account the institution of the disciple of `ilal, and the suggestion has been made that the Hadith is Ma`lul. The reasons given by S. Hatim are compelling in my estimation.
                  And what indicates to the religiosity and trustworthiness of Nu`aym [bin Hammad] is his returning to the truth whenever
                  he was told of his inadvertence and made aware of his mistake, as he never considered accepting the truth beneath himself

                  because returning to the truth is better than remaining in falsehood,
                  and the one who remains in falsehood will increase only in remoteness from the truth

                  (29/471, Tadheeb 'l-Kamal)

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                  • #39
                    Maybe some knowledgable brothers can have a look at this reseach

                    Ahadeeth on Virtues of 15th Sha’baan and Shaikh Albaani
                    Written by: Shaikh Khabeeb Ahmed Athari (hafidhahullah)
                    Translator: Raza Hassan

                    P.S.
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                    • #40
                      پندر ہویں شعبان سے متعلق احادیث – ایک جائزہ
                      ﴿ دراسة الأحاديث المتعلقة بليلة النصف من شعبان ﴾
                      ] Urdu – الأردية – أردو [


                      ڈاکٹرعبد اللطیف کندی مدنی
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Harris Hammam View Post
                        Hatim al-Awni on this issue:

                        http://ia311238.us.archive.org/3/ite...f/sha3baan.pdf

                        The title of your thread is horrendous. It suggests that you have already arrived at a conclusion before having examined the arguments.

                        Ma' Salaamah
                        The link is broken, so check this abridged version:

                        http://tinyurl.com/q65vsze

                        Also his original fatwa is here:

                        http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showpo...37&postcount=2
                        And what indicates to the religiosity and trustworthiness of Nu`aym [bin Hammad] is his returning to the truth whenever
                        he was told of his inadvertence and made aware of his mistake, as he never considered accepting the truth beneath himself

                        because returning to the truth is better than remaining in falsehood,
                        and the one who remains in falsehood will increase only in remoteness from the truth

                        (29/471, Tadheeb 'l-Kamal)

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                        • #42
                          http://islamicstudies.islammessage.c...r.aspx?aid=335

                          This is one of the reasons why `Amal Ahl 'l-Madinah is very strong.

                          In such matters where it is impossible for a Sunnah to depart from Madinah, sufficient doubt is cast over the virtue of the night given that the Madanis never considered this night virtuous.

                          There is also no doubt that, had the 15th been celebrated (in worship) in the Prophet's (peace be upon him) era in the manner that it is done today, that practice would have been preserved by the Sahabah and Tabi`un in Madinah. But it wasn't; rather the claimants of implicitly argue that this Sunnah slipped out of Madinah in totality and ended up in Sham.

                          Imam Malik never said anything about this night.
                          And what indicates to the religiosity and trustworthiness of Nu`aym [bin Hammad] is his returning to the truth whenever
                          he was told of his inadvertence and made aware of his mistake, as he never considered accepting the truth beneath himself

                          because returning to the truth is better than remaining in falsehood,
                          and the one who remains in falsehood will increase only in remoteness from the truth

                          (29/471, Tadheeb 'l-Kamal)

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                          • #43
                            The hadiths on Nisf Sha'ban are Sahih and Hasan

                            Although I can show many proofs to our confused dear Salafis but here is a cracker from Albani i.e. the so called Chief muhadith of Salafis !


                            " يطلع الله تبارك و تعالى إلى خلقه ليلة النصف من شعبان , فيغفر لجميع خلقه
                            إلا لمشرك أو مشاحن " .

                            قال الألباني في " السلسلة الصحيحة " 3 / 135 :

                            حديث صحيح , روي عن جماعة من الصحابة من طرق مختلفة يشد بعضها بعضا و هم # معاذ ابن جبل و أبو ثعلبة الخشني و عبد الله بن عمرو و أبي موسى الأشعري و أبي هريرة و أبي بكر الصديق و عوف ابن مالك و عائشة # .

                            1 - أما حديث معاذ فيرويه مكحول عن مالك بن يخامر عنه مرفوعا به . أخرجه ابن
                            أبي عاصم في " السنة " رقم ( 512 - بتحقيقي )


                            Translation: Allah turns towards his creation in the Night of "MID-SHABAN" and He forgives all of them except for a Mushrik and one who hates other people

                            Albani says in his “Silsilat as Sahiha”: (This is a) “SAHIH HADITH” narrated by group of Sahaba with different routes (Isnaad) such as from Muadh bin Jabal (ra), Abu Thalbah (ra) Abdullah bin Amr (ra), Abu Musa al Ashari (ra), Abu Hurraira (ra), Abu Bakr as Saddiq (ra), Awf bin Malik (ra) and Aisha (ra).The Hadith of Muadh bin Jabal (ra) comes through Makhul from Malik bin Yakhamir and It is “MARFU” narrated by Ibn Abi Asim in his As-Sunnah Hadith #512 [Nasir ud din Albani in Silsilat as Sahiha, Volume No. 3, Page No. 135 #1144]

                            Albani further declares 2 more ahadith to be “Hassan” and 1 to be “Mursal Jayyid”

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                            • #44
                              Wait a minute, here is an atom bomb from your fake Shaykh ul Islam

                              Ibn-Taimiyyah was asked about praying in the 15th night of Sha’ban. He replied:

                              وأما ليلة النصف فقد روى في فضلها أحاديث وآثار ونقل عن طائفة من السلف أنهم كانوا يصلون فيها، فصلاة الرجل فيها وحده قد تقدمه فيه سلف وله فيه حجة فلا ينكر مثل هذا


                              Translation: As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.[Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmua al Fatawa, Volume No. 23, Page No. 131]

                              Ibn-Taimiyyah was asked the same question and he replied:

                              وسنل عن صلاة نصف شعبان فاجاب ازا صلئ الانسان ليلة النصف وحده اوفئ جماعته خاصته كما كان يفل جماعته خاصته كما كان يفعل طوانف من السلف فهواحسن


                              Translation: If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, "then it is good". [Fatawa Ibn Taimiyyah Volume 23, Page 130]

                              Should I quote al-Mubarakfuri after this or Salafis would take heed by now?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ahlus-Sunna View Post
                                Although I can show many proofs to our confused dear Salafis but here is a cracker from Albani i.e. the so called Chief muhadith of Salafis !
                                Strawman.

                                We aren't blind Muqallids of S. al-Albani when there is sufficient evidence against his stance. Besides, the nature of this night is a matter of difference of opinion and we won't hold anyone to task for considering it virtuous per se, without getting involved in innovation or severely weak/fabricated Hadith.


                                Originally posted by Ahlus-Sunna View Post
                                Wait a minute, here is an atom bomb from your fake Shaykh ul Islam

                                Ibn-Taimiyyah was asked about praying in the 15th night of Sha’ban. He replied:

                                وأما ليلة النصف فقد روى في فضلها أحاديث وآثار ونقل عن طائفة من السلف أنهم كانوا يصلون فيها، فصلاة الرجل فيها وحده قد تقدمه فيه سلف وله فيه حجة فلا ينكر مثل هذا


                                Translation: As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.[Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmua al Fatawa, Volume No. 23, Page No. 131]
                                The translation is wrong in many places.

                                One place is the mistranslation of فلا ينكر مثل هذا. It is not "something of this kind surely cannot be denied." Inkar here doesn't mean denial. It means condemnation. It cannot be condemned because some Salaf considered this night virtuous. Denial has another connotation.

                                Another is 'many' narrations. There aren't many narrations.

                                Another mistranslation is 'the salaf'. It should be a group from the Salaf. And these were based in Sham. Not the Iraqis or Madanis.

                                Another mistranslation is 'sufficient' evidence. In fact, that whole sentence was mistranslated.

                                Take some translation lessons pal.


                                Originally posted by Ahlus-Sunna View Post
                                Ibn-Taimiyyah was asked the same question and he replied:

                                وسنل عن صلاة نصف شعبان فاجاب ازا صلئ الانسان ليلة النصف وحده اوفئ جماعته خاصته كما كان يفل جماعته خاصته كما كان يفعل طوانف من السلف فهواحسن


                                Translation: If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, "then it is good". [Fatawa Ibn Taimiyyah Volume 23, Page 130]
                                The Arabic has multiple mistakes. The translation is horrible.

                                In a nutshell, I see you plagiarised all of this from a YouTube clip, called:
                                "Even Salafi Scholar Ibn Taymiyah's Fatwa in Favour of Celebrating Shab-e-Barat by Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri"
                                by none other than Tahir Qadri!!!


                                Originally posted by Ahlus-Sunna View Post
                                Should I quote al-Mubarakfuri after this or Salafis would take heed by now?
                                You were going to plagiarise that from the comments of that YouTube clip, weren't you?


                                Take further heed of the other opinion:

                                حَدَّثَنا هَارُونُ بنُ سَعِيدٍ قالَ: حَدَّثَنا ابنُ وَهْبٍ قالَ: حَدَّثَنا عَبْدُ الرَّحمن بنُ زَيْدِ بنِ أَسْلَم قالَ: لَمْ أُدرك أَحَداً من مشيختنا ولا فقهائنا يَلْتَفِتُونَ إلى ليلةِ النِّصْفِ من شَعْبَانَ، ولَمْ نُدْرِك أَحَداً منهم يَذْكُرُ حديثَ مَكْحُولٍ ولا يَرى لَهَا فَضْلاً على سِوَاها من اللّيالي. أخرجه ابن وضاح بإسناد صحيح في ما جاء في البدع رقم 119
                                Abdurrahman bin Zayd bin Aslam sais: I have not met any Sheikh or jurist of ours pay any attention to the 15th of Sha'ban. I have not met anyone of them mention the Hadith of Makhul (which supposedly gives preference to this night over others), nor did they consider any preference for this night over other nights.
                                (Narrated bin Ibn Waddah with an authentic chain.)


                                Now if a fanatic like you doesn't want to accept this opinion, then that's fine. But when you go around like a warrior bashing others for holding legitimate opinions, you deserve all what you get.

                                Exercise some humility.
                                And what indicates to the religiosity and trustworthiness of Nu`aym [bin Hammad] is his returning to the truth whenever
                                he was told of his inadvertence and made aware of his mistake, as he never considered accepting the truth beneath himself

                                because returning to the truth is better than remaining in falsehood,
                                and the one who remains in falsehood will increase only in remoteness from the truth

                                (29/471, Tadheeb 'l-Kamal)

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